Interesting point about modifying intake or exhaust
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:40 am
Started out looking for info or products on ECU code scanning,
ran across this observation in one of the threads that came up.
Being the efi system is a speed density versus mass air and there
fore does not measure the actual air mass coming into the engine
but rather is set by the factory to provide fuel in response to inputs
such as from the tps, increasing airflow via a freer flowing intake
setup or filter or via reducing backpressure in the exhaust via an
aftermarket exhaust setup essentially leans out the already lean
air fuel mix because the system does not recognize nor does it adapt
to or compensate for additional airflow over that of what is programmed
by the factory with a totally stock configuration.
I've just gone thru a "what if" exercise on possibly eliminating the
airbox (just to avoid the hassle of R&R when doing trans / clutch
work) and was educated to a considerable degree regarding these
types of issues on these bikes.
I have removed the oem muffler (not the cat) and installed just a
short downturn, but have not experienced any lean running indicators
probly because when I bought my bike (an 04 I bought in summer
of 08) it already had the code plug removed which I understand
richens the mixture some.
I just had never thought of intake or exhaust modification in specific
terms of it's relation to the factory tune and the Motronic's inability
to compensate for additional intake airflow or reduced exhaust back
pressure, at least not in stock form (i.e. without one of the piggyback
tuning devices available which are designed to compensate by enriching
the oem programmed fuel mix)
My "hot rod" (car) was initially a speed density system which of course
I learned had basically the same limitations. After converting to a mass
air system, which was available in subsequent models so was the same
basic system just adding a mass air meter and a different ecu all of which
conveniently plugged into the speed density system) I was able to
considerably increase power thru a larger engine displacement, a much
freer intake including throttle body size, intake manifold, heads, and cam,
and freeing up exhaust flow via headers and a much freer flowing catback
setup. Per the dyno I added about 100 hp and 75 lbs of torque and, due
to torque-curve matched components designed for good street torque in
the mid rpm ranges, suffered no loss of mpg's at steady cruise rpms.
Sometimes one just has to think thru the whole process to understand
how a given modification can help - or hurt - performance.
ran across this observation in one of the threads that came up.
Being the efi system is a speed density versus mass air and there
fore does not measure the actual air mass coming into the engine
but rather is set by the factory to provide fuel in response to inputs
such as from the tps, increasing airflow via a freer flowing intake
setup or filter or via reducing backpressure in the exhaust via an
aftermarket exhaust setup essentially leans out the already lean
air fuel mix because the system does not recognize nor does it adapt
to or compensate for additional airflow over that of what is programmed
by the factory with a totally stock configuration.
I've just gone thru a "what if" exercise on possibly eliminating the
airbox (just to avoid the hassle of R&R when doing trans / clutch
work) and was educated to a considerable degree regarding these
types of issues on these bikes.
I have removed the oem muffler (not the cat) and installed just a
short downturn, but have not experienced any lean running indicators
probly because when I bought my bike (an 04 I bought in summer
of 08) it already had the code plug removed which I understand
richens the mixture some.
I just had never thought of intake or exhaust modification in specific
terms of it's relation to the factory tune and the Motronic's inability
to compensate for additional intake airflow or reduced exhaust back
pressure, at least not in stock form (i.e. without one of the piggyback
tuning devices available which are designed to compensate by enriching
the oem programmed fuel mix)
My "hot rod" (car) was initially a speed density system which of course
I learned had basically the same limitations. After converting to a mass
air system, which was available in subsequent models so was the same
basic system just adding a mass air meter and a different ecu all of which
conveniently plugged into the speed density system) I was able to
considerably increase power thru a larger engine displacement, a much
freer intake including throttle body size, intake manifold, heads, and cam,
and freeing up exhaust flow via headers and a much freer flowing catback
setup. Per the dyno I added about 100 hp and 75 lbs of torque and, due
to torque-curve matched components designed for good street torque in
the mid rpm ranges, suffered no loss of mpg's at steady cruise rpms.
Sometimes one just has to think thru the whole process to understand
how a given modification can help - or hurt - performance.