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Oil Filters
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:59 pm
by pointman
Does anyone have any experience with metal oil filters? Sepcifically Scotts Performance Billet Oil Filter - BMW R1150? The benefits seem to be many.
Re: Oil Filters
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:52 pm
by Martyn
pointman wrote:Does anyone have any experience with metal oil filters? Sepcifically Scotts Performance Billet Oil Filter - BMW R1150? The benefits seem to be many.
Would you like to expand upon the advantages ?
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:00 pm
by pointman
Superior Filtration
Cleanable and reusable
Consistent flow under all conditions
Unaffected by Water, Heat and Pressure
Early Detection
Environmental benefits
Further details for each advantage can be found at:
http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/Sco ... TS-16.html
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:41 am
by challey
Below is some info on this filter from one of the sites selling them. A bit pricey at ~$110 but if truly reusable, would break even at about 7 oil changes (assuming you're using the BMW filter at about $16 a throw).
Is anyone familiar with this product?
Charlie
Scotts Performance billet oil filters
Superior Filtration:
This should be the last oil filter you will ever buy! Made from laser cut, medical grade, 304 stainless steel micronic filter cloth, this filter provides 200% more filter area in many cases. Most good paper filters will pass particles in the 90 to 95 micron range, and some tested, as much as 300 microns. Sand is about 125 microns and a white blood cell approximately 25 microns. Our stainless filter catches items down to 35 microns "absolute", which is about 3 times better than most good paper or brass filters. The pleat seam is welded, able to withstand up to 600 degrees in our filter, not glued, like paper filters.
Scotts cleanable and reusable:
Simply remove the filter, rinse in clean solvent and replace it, you're done. The Scotts oil filter can be cleaned with solvent, kerosene, aerosol carburetor cleaner, or any other degreasing agent, even common dish soap. You can even blow air through the filter from the inside out to remove any small particles or cleaning agent from the screen if you so desire.
Scotts consistent flow under all conditions:
Stainless steel will stand up to the stress of heat, high pressure and physical handling much better than paper or brass. This filter maintains consistent flow under all conditions including cold start ups and or under extreme heat. A one inch square of this micron filter material will flow 1.9 gallons of 90 weight oil per minute at only 1 PSI pump pressure (70 degrees F). Our typical filter size is 30 sq. in. which equals the flow of 57 gallons per minute. Standard paper filters do not flow well when the oil is cold, often causing the bypass valve to open allowing unfiltered oil to enter your engine, uhg!
Scotts oil filters are unaffected by water, heat and pressure:
This filter is capable of withstanding extremely high pressure and flow rates. It is also unaffected by Water, Heat and Pressure, unlike standard paper filter material which swells in the presence of water, closing off filter pores and reducing flow.
Scotts oil filters are proudly made in the US
Here's two reviews
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:24 am
by awldun
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:30 am
by rdsmith3
I am not familiar with these, but why wouldn't high-end manufacturers use them if they have all those advantages? Given the cost of a new BMW motorcycle, the incremental cost of this (for the manufacturer) would be trivial. Same for auto manufacturers like Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, etc.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:38 pm
by Paul Mihalka
rdsmith3 wrote:I am not familiar with these, but why wouldn't high-end manufacturers use them if they have all those advantages? Given the cost of a new BMW motorcycle, the incremental cost of this (for the manufacturer) would be trivial. Same for auto manufacturers like Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, etc.
To a manufacturer who eliminates the traditional tool kit and does not give you a spare key nothing is trivial.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:39 pm
by awldun
After more researching, it doesn't really seem that this filter is any better then the average paper filter. Most filters can claim to filter 35 microns.
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:08 pm
by rdsmith3
Paul Mihalka wrote:rdsmith3 wrote:I am not familiar with these, but why wouldn't high-end manufacturers use them if they have all those advantages? Given the cost of a new BMW motorcycle, the incremental cost of this (for the manufacturer) would be trivial. Same for auto manufacturers like Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, etc.
To a manufacturer who eliminates the traditional tool kit and does not give you a spare key nothing is trivial.
Paul,
Is that what they're doing with the new models! I got a spare key and tool kit with my 2002 Roadster. I also continue to get BMW magazine, which is full of ads for watches that cost more than my motorcycle.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:37 pm
by challey
One of the guys in my local riding group who is a BMW mechanic tells me that he's seen 3 bikes with this filter with damaged connecting rod bearings and crankshafts. He says that the oil system pulses and works the grit through the steel mesh element.
Needless to say, he is also very suspicious of the test data posted on the manufacturers website.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:29 pm
by Paul Mihalka
[/quote]To a manufacturer who eliminates the traditional tool kit and does not give you a spare key nothing is trivial.[/quote]
Paul,
Is that what they're doing with the new models! I got a spare key and tool kit with my 2002 Roadster. I also continue to get BMW magazine, which is full of ads for watches that cost more than my motorcycle.[/quote]
Yep, from mid 2005 the bikes come with no tool kit and with only one metal key and one plastic key.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:04 pm
by pointman
Excellent feedback, much appreciated. Based on the information provided I believe I'll continue with standard BMW oil flters. At least for the time being until more results are in.
specs?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:05 pm
by wardieone
How many microns does this filter, filter down to? What affect does cleaning have on the medium as far as filtering?
What is the bypass pressure? This is important.
Whats wrong with stock BMW filter?
What's wrong with K&N 163 filter for Oilheads?
Before I spent $110 on something like this I'd want to be certain that I am in fact upgrading and not down grading. Just my 25 cents worth. Wardieone
You can get 20% off stock BMW filters from Chicago BMW. You'd get about 10 filters for $100..depending on your yearly mileage that could last a year or so.