Screens again

[Right Hand Drive]

Greetings all. I'm new to the board having bought my R1200R 2 months ago. Fabulous bike and just took me 2000 miles around a very wet France in a week. I have been going through the screen odyssey that some here have been doing and finally settled on the Cee Bailey 20". I tried the Wudo two part screen first. Looks great, great quality (expensive) but was just a little low for me. Then I tried the Givi, again nice quality and good protection but the style didn't do it for me. Finally the Cee Bailey which worked well and suited my taste in looks. Got there eventually. I do now have two nearly new screens which are surplus to requirements so if any of you guys are interested in them let me know. Even here in the UK the bike is still newish and there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it on any of the UK BMW sites.

[LeonardoNYC]

congrats on the bike and thanks for the reviews on those screens. Which Givi did you have? Would it be possible to post photos of the bike with either/both of those screens when you had it on the bike. I'd be interested in the wudo though not sure how much shipping would be to the USA?

Cheers

Leonardo

[Right Hand Drive]

Thanks for the reply Leonardo. Yes it is a brilliant bike and just about does everything I need it to do very nicely. As I say its a pity there is such little discussion on it on the UK sites. But this one seems very friendly and helpful. I have two pics of the different screens and will try to post them here so people can see the screens. If they don't appear perhaps you can pm me your email address. The Givi is the standard screen that they just brought out, an A147A. I'm not sure about shipping costs to the US but if you're interested we can discuss that via email if you like. It seems daft to have so many screens around the house.

[Right Hand Drive]

The Wudo and then Givi screens mounted on my bike.



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[celticus]

Who's mirrors are those in the top photo?
Mark

[qgaex]

Hi Rich

The first of those screens....
...is that the GIVI?
Does it mount to the original big screen holder?
It does not look all bad!
Can I have it???
(Shipping within Europe should be easier anyhow.)
What do you want for it? (--> e-mail [email protected])
And BTW how tall are you (if that screen is too low for you...)?

Cheers

qgaex
*whoisalsoexperimentingwithscreens*

[hass]

Who's mirrors are those in the top photo?
Mark

They look like the chromed BMW mirrors to me.

[Right Hand Drive]

Mark, Hass is correct, they are the BMW chrome mirrors specified for the R. They are bigger than the standard (better rear view) and imho very nice looking. They cost the equivalent of around $100 US each. I haven't had them on the bike long. qgaex I will email you about the Givi- the guys Stateside only expressed interest in the Wudo anyway.

Rich

[LeonardoNYC]

Nice photos rich..when you said Wudo I thought you had the entire fairing they make...I am somewhat happy with the touring screen though I may go for a givi fairing that was mentioned in the earlier post I wrote a few weeks back. Keep safe!!

[ShinySideUp]

Greetings from a new and very happy R12R owner.

Picked her up in Oregon (slightly used) and drove it to California. Having come from a Honda ST1100 with a 20" Rifle screen, I wasn't eager to do 800 miles behind the "Instrumentischinsektenshildprotektorheit" AKA "Sport Shield. "

So I stopped at the BMW shop in Eugene (great shop, great people) and bought a Z-Technik V-Stream shield, after reading about it here, and had them install it.

The good:
1) Looks good.
2) Very solid mounting.
3) Reasonable price.
4) Polycarbonate strong.
5) Did the job of relieving the body blow wind-to-the-chest thing.

The bad:
1) Horrible, unlivable, awful buffeting.
2) See above.

I'm 6'1" and the previous owner had the low BMW seat in place. If I raised up off the pegs 2-3" (difficult to measure while riding!), my head went into clean air. I spent WAY too much time standing up on this trip home.

So my choices:

1) Get a taller seat, which I intend to do when I order my Russell Day Long.

2) Apply the Laminar Lip.

) Try a different windscreen. Expensive with no certainty. The Parabellum Scout appeals to me but that's a lot of money to plunk down to see if it does the job.

I called Leo at http://www.laminarlip.com and we worked out that I should try the 10" Universal lip and could send it back if it didn't work, for a refund less the cost of the shipping. (Leo said they've sold quite a few lips to Scout owners... another reason to not purchase rashly).

Install was a bit tricky, since the lip had to be opened up (flattened out) to fit the screen. I used 6 of the 3M adhesive dots instead of the 4 specified in the instructions. I installed the lip about 1" above the top edge of the Z-Technik.

Results: Way less buffeting. Still not quite as good as raising my head up into clean air, but certainly livable. My hope is that with the higher seat, I'll be content to ride my otherwise wonderful machine.

BTW, I'm in the SF Bay Area if any other inmates want to get in touch.

[LeonardoNYC]

Don't forget the ztechnik comes with a money back guarantee if you are not pleased...if enough folks return it they may redesign one that actually works as advertised--have you seen their site--they make their screen out to be the 2nd coming. They should also rethink the whole mounting system..what a PIA for a simple screen.

[celticus]

Bill , Where are the pictures? I can't believe the Eugene shop had a Z-Technic screen! My BMW shop doesn't even carry BMW screens!? Danged near anything you want you have to order.
Second or third rambleing thought: If you were able to get out of the buffeting by standing up 2 inches do you think that by trimming off two inches of the screen you could get your helmet into clean air? I had those thoughts about my Givi screen.
Mark

[Right Hand Drive]

Leonardo - no problem about the Wudo. If I could have figured out how to post pics earlier then it would have been clearer. Celticus gave me the clue how to post the pics. I nearly went for the Z-Technik but comments here put me off it. Especially the buffeting and the need to unbolt the bars to get the frame on ...........what's that all about? Bit too complicated methinks.

[ShinySideUp]

Mark - No pictures yet. Camera's taking a vacation at the Nikon Service Center.

I thought about trimming the screen down, but that somewhat defeats the purpose of keeping air (and rocks) off the chest. And once it's done, there's no going back. The Laminar Lip really reduced buffeting by, I'd guess, 90% and a taller seat is easy enough.

So if all else fails, I guess I'd get out the saber saw and have at it.

[deilenberger]

Leonardo - no problem about the Wudo. If I could have figured out how to post pics earlier then it would have been clearer. Celticus gave me the clue how to post the pics. I nearly went for the Z-Technik but comments here put me off it. Especially the buffeting and the need to unbolt the bars to get the frame on ...........what's that all about? Bit too complicated methinks.

I have a Z-Technic sitting here waiting for me to try it on (I'm doing an article for the national club magazine on farkling the Roadster..) - and somehow I can't bring myself to do it. The bracket it mounts on is IMHO - overly complex and overly heavy. It's made of welded up steel - and the base plate is ~1/4" thick. WAY overkill and not particularly attractive. I've gotta take a close look at it and see if with some modifications it could be used with the BMW touring mount.

It's an attractive price point for a shield (I think it's $175 USD or so complete) - but if people are afraid to put it on, they're not going to sell really well.

I'll probably have a go at mounting it sometime in the next week and document it with photos - but I'm not looking forward to it..

[celticus]

(I'm doing an article for the national club magazine on farkling the Roadster..) :

Don , What magazine?
Mark

[OlyVR]

If I had to guess I'd say the BMW MOA magazine.

[deilenberger]

If I had to guess I'd say the BMW MOA magazine.

Correct. There should be one in there this month or next on the GS-911 diagnostics interface..

I also write for the BMW Car Club of America magazine on occasion.

[celticus]

Wow! So you are a celebrity! I should have known from the cool avatar.
Next time you see Lindsay Lohan at a party tell her to straighten up.
Mark

[ShinySideUp]

[/quote]I have a Z-Technic sitting here waiting for me to try it on (I'm doing an article for the national club magazine on farkling the Roadster..) - and somehow I can't bring myself to do it. The bracket it mounts on is IMHO - overly complex and overly heavy. It's made of welded up steel - and the base plate is ~1/4" thick. WAY overkill and not particularly attractive. I've gotta take a close look at it and see if with some modifications it could be used with the BMW touring mount.

It's an attractive price point for a shield (I think it's $175 USD or so complete) - but if people are afraid to put it on, they're not going to sell really well.

I'll probably have a go at mounting it sometime in the next week and document it with photos - but I'm not looking forward to it.. [/quote]

Don -

First a disclaimer: I was in a hurry to drive 800 miles back to my job, so I had a dealer install the Z-Technik shield, but I HAVE removed and replaced the shield itself from its mounts and I have closely examined the mount on my bike, and I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Perhaps the mounting issue is building an online momentum that is unjustified by the actual experience.

Yes, the handlebars have to be disengaged to slip the mount underneath them. This means removing four bolts and re-torquing them. It would seem to me this is not a huge chore. I just did it this week to install some bar-backs and didn't find it at all obnoxious.

While the mount is sturdy (my base plate measures 5 mm or 0.197 ", not 1/4"), I much rather have it on the heavy duty side than on the flimsy side. There's got to be a fair amount of force on such a steep shield angle as it pushes air out of the way at, say, er, uh, slightly more than posted speeds. And at highway speeds, a mount that fails could be mean having a really bad day.

As for it's attractiveness, on my bike which is Crystal Grey, the silver color of the mount blends right in with the rest of the bike and I hardly see it at all. I can imagine than on a black bike, it would be more intrusive. But, hey, that's why they invented spray paint!

The base plate itself is held to the bike with 4 fasteners. Again not such a big deal, in my accounting.

I'm writing this merely to avoid scaring people that this shield is something of a horror to install.

So I look forward to reading your first-hand experience. My guess is that it will go well and that, given your seat-to-helmet height, the shield may actually carry out its function to your satisfaction.

There seems to be only a small window where the buffeting is a real problem and it just so happens my head is in that window. If I lean forward or upward, everything is much quieter. And, as posted above, the Laminar Lip has taken care of most of the buffeting.

Keep us posted!

PS: I've really gained a lot from your contributions here... will be using your excellent pages on running light installation very soon. Found some FF50's on eBay that a fellow has converted to HID's. 35W consumption each and a claimed 3X boost in light output. And no filament to break from vibration. Will let you know how they work out.