Crown bearing failure.

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Crown bearing failure.

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I changed my FD fluid yesterday and the fluid looked like heavy-flaked urine colored paint. Me thinks me crown bearing is eating itself. :evil:

Rather than going to the local dealership and paying the big bucks for the fix, does anyone know of a private mechanic--a FD guru--who specializes in this kind of fix? My idea was to remove the drive myself and mail it to whomever. I don't know if I'd necessarily save any money, but I'm not entirely happy with my dealership and it would be worth it for the peace of mind of knowing the job was done right.

Thanks for any suggestion.
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These two Beemer-philes are highly esteemed tranny etc re-builders.....give them a holler...

http://www.largiader.com/

http://rubberchickenracinggarage.com/
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Sarasota is pretty big....find a garage where they can remove the bearing and press on a new one, check amongst the racing fraternity. Make sure that if there are any spacers under the bearing they go back in.

Also once you get the bearing out, check the number on the side of the outer race, it can be sourced locally and you'll save the abnormaly high dealer cost.

You might also PM abreacames (Carlos) as he did the work back in 05, after BBII and he can provide some direction.

Good luck........
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Re: Crown bearing failure.

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I just replaced the big bearing on Boxer's 75,210 mile OilHead. Unlike your bike, his had no cruddy oil symptoms. Your description of the oil drained out is troubling as that filthy fluid likely has caused collateral damage to the OTHER 3 bearings in the FD!! Just like adding metal grit to your oil and going for a nice long ride. #-o That's why you may need to use experienced BMW wrenches that have the special tools and ability to set all the precise running clearances with however many new parts are required.

Removing the big bearing was the hardest part. We had two different successive failed attempts involving heating the bearing and chilling the shaft's "cup" with ice cubes-n-water, then trying to pry the bearing off with big opposing screwdrivers. I even made custom metal heat shields to isolate the 2 temperature extremes from each other. It didn't work. A local machine/fabrication shop (19 miles away) did remove it, after what seemed like an hour. He said he had to modify their puller to make it work and charged me $40. I suspect "modify" meant cutting and welding. They were challenged with the job and seemed pleased to hand me the 2 separated parts without damage to anything.

Installing the bearing was so easy, we couldn't believe our eyes and ears. The manual says to heat the bearing to 180F and install it. I wasn't going to take any chances so we employed the same method someone else posted on another BMW chatboard. Freeze the gear and heat the bearing. Crown gear assembly in my basement chest freezer (cruising at +2 deg F indicated on added digital indoor/outdoor thermometer) for around 40 minutes, big bearing heated in my toaster oven to 177deg F (read by my IR temp gauge). While Phil watched, I used his leather gloves to remove the bearing from the oven and literally drop it into place on the shaft. It went on so fast, so easy it almost bounced off the bottom! Seeing the speed that it fell into place, just by gravity, you'd have thought it was the wrong size part! KLINK! After cooling, it was totally SOLIDLY mounted.

When I replace my FD big bearing I'll likely use the same place -or- look for a $40 puller strong enough and slim enough to remove the bearing.
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When I was a full time wrench, we used dry ice to shrink and a hot oil tank to expand these type assemblies. The $40 sounds well spent to me! :lol:
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You might want to check with this guy, he's in Deland (north of Orlando)
http://www.rennsportmotorrad.com/
Heard good things from a friend in Jax about him

Not to hijack your thread, but...
I'm in St. Pete, can you let me know which dealer you are unhappy with & why-
you can pm me if you don't want to get into it here
hope this gives you another line to check out
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Re: Crown bearing failure.

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CycleRob-- WOW, sounds like you had your hands full--and you're a very experienced mechanic. I'm more of a "maintenance" mechanic--I do all the maintenance on all my vehicles, including the R, and some more in-depth jobs like replacing half axels, timing belts, etc. This job seems out of my league on the experience and tool fronts and caution seems like the better part of valor here. Plus, like you mentioned, those flakes have no doubt been reeking havoc on my internals, so I'd like to have someone check it all out. You know, I only have about 29k on the clock. I was really hoping to get more mileage before a FD issue. And God knows how my clutch splines look!!

Mick-- Thanks for the heads-up on the guy in Deland. He looks like a real option.

Thanks to everyone else who posted. Misery loves company. . .
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jm1515 wrote:These two Beemer-philes are highly esteemed tranny etc re-builders.....give them a holler...

http://www.largiader.com/

http://rubberchickenracinggarage.com/
+1 on both. Anton Lagraider was interviewed in the recent MCN article on Final Drive failures, and Tom at Rubber Chicken has been wrenching on BMWs as long as I've been alive. :)

Disclaimer: I know Tom, and I ride with people who know Anton.
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CycleRob wrote:I just replaced the big bearing on Boxer's 75,210 mile OilHead.....

Removing the big bearing was the hardest part. We had two different successive failed attempts involving heating the bearing and chilling the shaft's "cup" with ice cubes-n-water...,

Installing the bearing was so easy, we couldn't believe our eyes and ears.....
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The shims.......tell us about the the shims....! :-k
Did you re-use the OE installed one(s), or go thru some agonizing micro-measuring procedure such as I have read about in places. Some say that if only the Crown Bearing is being removed, the OE shims can be re-used. Others tut-tut such abject simplicity, even when the pinion gear etc are not being disturbed. I've read that this can be done with the FD on the bike. Others say no way....you must jig- up the cover and FD case to measure proper shim width down to microns.... #-o
What did you do......?
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What did you do......?
Ahem...Rob, you can keep your seat. I think I can field this one.

We put the same one back in that was already in there. I'll let you know how that's working in a few thousand more miles. :biggrin:
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