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Took a ride today and while on NJ's version of the Autobahn known as the Garden State Parkway, I go the dreaded warning/! sign. :shock: So I pulled into a rest area and pulled out the manual. I was very relieved to learn the cause was simply my low beam headlight was out. I normally ride with the high beam so no biggie. Blessing in disguise really as I wanted to upgrade to a better burning bulb anyway. So seeing as I want to do more work on the bike myself, this seems like a good place to start. So the burning question for my most knowledgable friends here is.....
will these work:

PIAA 15211 H11 Style Xtreme White 55=110-Watt Bulb

The manual says H11 12V 55 and I guess I'm only asking because I can't find any online that have the 12V in the description. Is that something that is understood? Sorry if this is common knowledge for most. :oops:

I found them on amazon and seem to be a decent price. I just want to make sure they are the right ones before I buy them.

THANKS!!

Thanks and again and as always, comments, suggestions and .02 are always welcomed!!!

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Will they work? Yes.. but PIAA bulbs are generally overpriced and under performers. It's marketing over actual performance.

"Xtreme White" in PIAA talk usually means a blue coating on the bulb, which makes them pretty sucky to actually try to see with. The blue causes light scatter, and the coating absorbs light that could better be used to see with.

Just buy a brand name bulb at an autoparts store - $5 or so..

BTW - ALL H11's are 12V.. it's part of the H11 spec..
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I've been considering H11 bulbs for a while. The Beemer H11 costs almost $50 but it may (only may) be a little more than a regular H11 bulb found in an auto parts store. I ran into this a few years ago with an 1157 taillight bulb for a Honda, a replacement at an auto parts store was about $2 and Honda wanted almost $9. A little research found that the Honda bulb had an extra part in it that supported the filament.

If you search you can find H11 that are 'supposed' to have anti vibration qualities. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GZ ... PDKIKX0DER
Personally, for me it's more important to have a bulb that doesn't burn out at an inconvenient time than to have a few extra lumens going down the road. I keep a high power lamp in my high beam and if conditions warrant, then I use it.
The example above is just to show such a thing exists, I'm still not sure it's a real anti vibration bulb.

PIAA advertises a PIAA-70426 which is an anti vibration H4 but I couldn't find a H11. I don't need a bulb right now but will look for a true anti vibration type when I do. Just my two cents.
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I've always replaced stock bulbs with aftermarket and have found that they do in fact provide better performance depending on the model bulb you purchase. This includes cars and bikes.

They are expensive, so the VALUE has to be determined by the rider. Running a portion of my ride home on back country roads, I value the minor, yet perceivable increase in lighting… and yes, brighter/whiter beam.

I do agree with deilenberger regarding the blue coating on some, but not all bulb models have this.

I recently looked at OSRAM SYLVANIA (owned by the German company Siemens), having bought PIAAs for awhile, but the reviews on these seem to indicate that they have a short bulb life on their claimed, “brightest and whitest”.
Again, is the money spent on a short lived bulb worth the illumination I get while driving through deer country?... what’s the return on investment?
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Hmmm...all good things to consider. Guess I will hop over to the auto parts store today and see what I see. I really appreciate the responses. Comforting to know that, if even for a simple headlight, I've got a virtual on-line tech support.

Stay tuned...I know this is exciting stuff
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BLAIR1200R wrote:I've always replaced stock bulbs with aftermarket and have found that they do in fact provide better performance depending on the model bulb you purchase. This includes cars and bikes.
I would qualify that as "SOME" provide better performance. I did a long bunch of tests of all sorts of bulbs for a BMW Car Club Roundel magazine article - and found that many of the expensive bulbs put out less light then a stock brand new bulb. A few did put out more light - at the expense of bulb life (there is no free lunch).. but most of those bulbs aren't actually available in the US. They can be purchased from a company called "Powerbulbs" in the UK (www.powerbulbs.com) - who offers excellent service and free delivery to the US.
They are expensive, so the VALUE has to be determined by the rider. Running a portion of my ride home on back country roads, I value the minor, yet perceivable increase in lighting… and yes, brighter/whiter beam.

I do agree with deilenberger regarding the blue coating on some, but not all bulb models have this.
My comment was on PIAAs - and most of their bulbs do use a dye coating on the bulb. Some use an evaporated dichroic coating, which gives the pretty-colors effect as you change angle to the bulb. Neither are a good idea IMHO.
I recently looked at OSRAM SYLVANIA (owned by the German company Siemens), having bought PIAAs for awhile, but the reviews on these seem to indicate that they have a short bulb life on their claimed, “brightest and whitest”.
Again, is the money spent on a short lived bulb worth the illumination I get while driving through deer country?... what’s the return on investment?
The numbers on the OSRAM "Power" bulbs from Europe - measured - do show they put out more light then a standard bulb. Measuring the same NAMED bulbs from Sylvania sold in the US show them putting ot no more (and sometimes less) then a standard Sylvania bulb. Again - the victim of a blue coating.

As I mentioned the downside to the brighter bulb is shorter life - usually by about the amount of the claimed increase, ie - a 50% brighter bulb (drawing the same current as a standard bulb) can be expected to fail in about half the time of the standard bulb.

That all said - my suggestion to anyone seeking better lighting is auxiliary lights. I wrote an Owners News article on mounting Hella FF50's on an R12R - they provide outstanding lighting at a reasonable cost.
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Here's a set of the 'real' Osrams available at Amazon. Same ones that Powerbulbs sells but maybe more expensive than buying them from across the pond.
http://www.amazon.com/OSRAM-Night-Break ... B001HDW5XO

I ran Osrams in my low beam but was not happy with the service life, however the ad says they have addressed the problem.
I do still have one in the high beam but rarely use it.
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Looks like responding to this post was bad juju. After cleaning about 10 pounds (or more) mud off my bike I started it up and got the dreaded trianglr and the word 'LAMP'. Sure enough the low beam is out. Guess I'll order a set of Night-breakers from Amazon.
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Not the posting, Harry, it was the washing.
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Some information. Looking at the BMW parts fiche I noticed that the headlight bulb is referred to as a long life bulb. As I mentioned before, longevity is as important to me as light output so I looked around. I found a product from Osram called the Truckstar line which promises more light but also twice the life of a standard bulb. Looked like just the thing I was looking for. The bad news - while they offer an H4 in 12v and 24v they only offer the H11 in 24v. I did find a reference to a Truckstar H11 12v but can't find it in any of the Osram specs.
Still waiting for the Osram Night Breaker Plus H11s from across the pond, maybe they'll deliver the long life they promise. But I'm not holding my breath.
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