about Great Brittain

[Guest]

i'm sorry for your loss

[Pat]

A loss for as much the Peace loving world as it is for the United States as it is for Great Britain. Mere miles or an ocean should not separate the collective anger with which this increasing terrorism should be dealt.

Maybe more cute little concerts featuring old has-beens will help......

Truth is,
PC & polite will only invite more terror upon us.

[bakernks]

No fan of war, and I think it's pretty senseless what's going on in Iraq. That seems a political smokescreen for not being capable to effect any justice on the 9/11 planners and their support network. I wonder if, at sometime in the future, the West coming down really really hard in a couple of Hotspots, down to cinders and bare dirt, if the radicals would get the message this is intolerable? Perhaps not, so then what? The 13th Century Crusades, one religion against another over holy dirt? I wish I knew the answer.

[Moore4u]

ACK... Posted a long reply, but did not post for some reason. Basically what i said wass that I was in Iraq for 10 months. Only ones that seem to think this about religion are the fanatics that the terrorists recruit to do their dirty work. They hide bhind the phrase holy war. THIS IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION. THIS IS ABOUT BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. Sadaam could care less about religion, he wanted power and religion was the quickest way to divide his country to gain it. Same with the terrorists, they use religion to insight anger, it is to be in power and cause fear that they are after. To call this a crusade or a fight over holy land is STUPID. Look at Bosnia, it was the Christians killing the muslims over there. The "West" didnt stand by and let that happen did they. Do not lessen the worth of the lives that have been lost by saying this is a Holy War, We are not fighting Muslims in Iraq, We are fighting people who want to tell the world there is only one way to live and to think otherwise is deserving of death. We are fighting people who attack innocent people to instill fear to futher their cause. My heart goes out to those who were hurt yesterday and their families, but to blame the "West" for this is incidious. Sorry to turn this thread into a podium and you will not get anymore political thoughts from me on this forum. Just couldn't deal with the crusade comment, sorry.

[socalrob]

Moore4u

I agree. Thanks for the post.

[Joe Rockster]

ACK... Posted a long reply, but did not post for some reason. Basically what i said wass that I was in Iraq for 10 months. Only ones that seem to think this about religion are the fanatics that the terrorists recruit to do their dirty work. They hide bhind the phrase holy war. THIS IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION. THIS IS ABOUT BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. Sadaam could care less about religion, he wanted power and religion was the quickest way to divide his country to gain it. Same with the terrorists, they use religion to insight anger, it is to be in power and cause fear that they are after. To call this a crusade or a fight over holy land is STUPID. Look at Bosnia, it was the Christians killing the muslims over there. The "West" didnt stand by and let that happen did they. Do not lessen the worth of the lives that have been lost by saying this is a Holy War, We are not fighting Muslims in Iraq, We are fighting people who want to tell the world there is only one way to live and to think otherwise is deserving of death. We are fighting people who attack innocent people to instill fear to futher their cause. My heart goes out to those who were hurt yesterday and their families, but to blame the "West" for this is incidious. Sorry to turn this thread into a podium and you will not get anymore political thoughts from me on this forum. Just couldn't deal with the crusade comment, sorry.

Moore4U,

I think what Bakernts was reffering to was more along the lines of what would be THE ultimate long term consequences/end result of the effort made so far to erradicate those islamist extemist bad elements. Let's NOT kid ourselves, history has a bad tendency of repeating itself.

In my view there is a universal rule, the more you push against something, the harder it pushes back. Look at Christianity, for centuries the Romans murdered and tried to erradicate all traces of Chirstianity. The end result: in AD 387 or thereabouts, the then emperor figured that he could unify Christianity and other influences of the ephoc and use it to his advantage, thus Christianity became the de-facto official religion of the Roman empire. Again, this after 3 centuries of trying to obliterate the Christians!!! Could it happen in our day and age?? I wouldn't be too quick to deny such plausibility.

You're right, this is/should be/must be about human rights NOT about religion. However it could run the risk of riding dangerously close to be made a one religion against another issue. I hope in my heart that ALL care should be taken to avoid that.

The data that I have read about Islam, it's origins, it's development, it's believes and practices, I have to say that it does lend itself to the creation of etreme tendencies. Just cursory look at their Kuran schools will make it readily evident that it's study practices are earingly similar to a hypnotic trance. Masses of people with little or no education and/or resources brought up in such system WILL do any number of otherwise irrational acts, ALL because they're doing it in the name of GOD. Once you have it ingrained in your head and heart that GOD is on "your" side, it is very easy to understand how you would be willing to blow yourself up to bring the cause further.

It's scary!!!

[leno]

Thanks for your thoughts. Don't worry about us, we are quite a tuff old bunch. It will take more than a few nutters with bombs to change us. Of course we are in shock at the moment, but we will be back to normal very quickly. What I would like to do is praise the emergency services yestereday they did a fantastic job.

[JCsman]

Don't worry about us, we are quite a tuff old bunch.

"Tuff" indeed. I saw a reporter on television interviewing a lady who was bleeding quite a bit from leg wounds. She answered the reporters questions about the events witnessed. Then when the reporter asked about her wounds the lady replied, "This? This is nothing." Then she walked away.

The Brits are one resilient bunch. Bless 'em.

[bakernks]

My associates, what I'm expressing precisely by my "crusade comment" is the notion of warring with these extremists has been tried, and it doesn't work. I merely didn't phrase it well enough. While my passion may lean at heated moments (such as this week for what happened to our friends in England) may be to cruise missle Mecca and Damascas into smoking, glass lined craters, IT WOULDN"T SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

[Acacia]

Greed and hatred are not family values!!

Package them however you want, they will still not be values decent people accept.

My heart goes out to those who suffer - usually the innocent, and will bear the suffering for the rest of their lives

[riceburner]

You want to stop Terrorism??


Harden your hearts and pull out of all Middle Eastern involvment, INCLUDING Isreal, then deal with the winners of the inevitable bloodbath.


That fight has been going on for years and nothing the "west" can do will stop it. Getting involved just makes us targets for both sides.



My feelings go out to the families of those who lost their lives in pointless violence.

[Simon D]

Thanks for your kind messages of support guys, may I share a little story with you? I heard this on the radio this morning: A 92 year old London woman who had been a nurse during the German "Blitz" on London during world war two heard reports of the bombing and the large number of casualties. She marched to her local hospital,offered her services and spent the day bandaging the wounded.
All the time there is ONE person like that left alive in England then, my brothers, we shall NEVER be defeated.
My most sincere best wishes to you all as since I found this site a few months back I now feel I have friends all over the world! Cheers Simon.

[popgazer]

My feelings go out to the families of those who lost their lives in pointless violence.

Well said. My heart and feelings are with those commuters in London subway. With the other commuters in Madrid, with the waiters in that restaurant and the bystanders in Casablanca, with the guards in front of embassies in Kenya and Saudi arabia who were all killed by terrorists. My heart and feelings are with the entire afghani family killed at a wedding celebration by a cruise missile, the thousands of iraqis whom some choose to call "collateral damage".
My HUMAN feelings do not follow geographical border lines, language or skin color. Unless we decide to value every life, whether it is western or otherwise, any other reason could be a reason for killing! Call it oil price, spreading of freedom or preseve our way of life! Phrases that may have a different meaning to each person, but are efficient at keeping the fearful herds ignorant and rallied.

[lovern98]

I wasn't sure as to posting this, because of the political and religious restriction on the forum. I just want to say to all the U.K. users that I hope that you will get through this time with your heads up and your feet kicking. Grieve, mourn your dead and then lets re-double our efforts to kick the living crap out of these murderers. No matter how long it takes...

[Guest]

Pointless violence, exactly my thoughts, and my heart goes out to all the victims....

All the time there is ONE person like that left alive in England then, my brothers, we shall NEVER be defeated.

Just saw a impressive speech from the mayor of London!! Really, really impressive! And up until now the Londoners reacted in a great way. It makes me believe what you say is true, or at least I hope that is the case!

[ArjanH]

Pointless violence, exactly my thoughts, and my heart goes out to all the victims....

All the time there is ONE person like that left alive in England then, my brothers, we shall NEVER be defeated.

Just saw a impressive speech from the mayor of London!! Really, really impressive! And up until now the Londoners reacted in a great way. It makes me believe what you say is true, or at least I hope that is the case!

It was me, not guest...

[Simon D]

Thanks Arjan, lets face it if you ignore the little matter of the North Sea then we're practically neighbours! Seriously every time I've been to Holland I've been impressed by the warm, friendly people.My favourite europeans by far. Cheers Simon.

[CycleRob]

One thing I keep noticing every time Tony Blair, the Mayor, a Bobby (police) or even the average Britt on the street speaks - - - - they all show a great deal of class! So genuine. So kind. So polite. So Civilized. Hearts of gold and spines of steel. How could anyone want to murder those people? That's the actions of a pure, monsterous evil. As pure as it gets. As evil as can be.

The monsters that attacked our brothers across the pond will be dealt with. They not only will not succeed, they will be be defeated. Pure Evil NEVER wins out over free, benevolent, tolerant, intelligent, militarily powerful cultures. When the evil becomes horrific and crushingly intolerable, the intelligent, powerful Military parts will be focused on that evil and ALL those that support it. I believe that time will be soon and we are lucky we own fuel efficient transportation like our R1150R bikes.

Sometimes I hate it when I'm right.

--CycleRob--

[TheGuest]

I think you've been watching a few too many GI Joe cartoons. Believe it or not, we're actually losing on every front in the war on "terror".

[denverchuck]

My condolences go out to our friends across the pond and all innocents wounded, maimed or killed wherever they may be.

I think you've been watching a few too many GI Joe cartoons. Believe it or not, we're actually losing on every front in the war on "terror".

Ahh…NOT, but the moon is green cheese and nobody ever landed on the moon.

Cowards will do what cowards do, the terrorists are fighting a loosing battle.

"the Guest" it appears you're on the loosing side, cower back into your little hole, somebody else can and will stand up for your right to say the things you do, as I’m sure you have not.


Free people always stand tall and fight the good fight, remember freedom is not free.