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Just picked up my new R1200R and am pleased with it except for the BMW alarm. After about an hour, the remote fob no longer works because the Canbus is in sleep mode. In other words, the remote fob turns into a useless appendage on the key ring. What point is a remote control if you can't remote control with it? Worst of all, the manual says that the alarm will disable itself after a few days to preserve the battery. I quote from the manual:
In order to protect the motorcycle's battery and ensure that the engine can be started, the system deactivates itself automatically a certain number of days after being activated, although it always remains active for at least 7 days.
In the Introduction of the alarm manual, it says
It acts as a deterrent for potential thieves
Now, BMW seem to be pretty smart about a lot of things but I think that they must have had a senior moment when they designed this. If I go away for a fortnight's holiday I can rest easy for the first 7 days knowing that my bike is alarmed and then worry for the next 7 knowing that it's not. :x

I'd much rather have a bike with a flat battery than have no bike at all. It seems that the priority is to ensure that the thief doesn't have a flat battery. Am I missing something here?
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If having the alarm work is your priority, then it seems like the easiest fix is to get a schematic, figure out where the alarm gets powered from, and rewire the alarm device directly (with a fuse) to the battery. I don't have the alarm or a schematic for the new bikes but this could be a way around your problem.

Seems like more and more the automobile and motorcycle manufactures are taking away our ability to make decisions for ourselves. All in the interest of safety and maintenance of the machine. Soon the bikes will be coming with a built in GPS that is loaded with pre-programed routes and if the rider chooses to go down a dirt or poorly paved road - the bike will shut down.
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It appears the alarm set up on your bike would work well for me while traveling and leaving my R1200R in a motel parking lot at night. It could also work well for someone that uses their motorcycle for daily commuting.

I garage my bike during the week, but if I parked it outside I would likely have your same dilemma. For sure the last thing I would want is a dead battery, and would probably use a fork lock or other lock instead. I doubt if the alarm is an option I would be willing to pay extra for. Their engineers are good, but as in most cases, there evidently is not a one size fits all.
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Thanks guys. The Datatool alarm on my old Suzuki would hang on for as long as the battery could keep it running. It meant that the bike stayed alarmed for weeks at a time and all I needed to was to trickle charge the battery with an Optimate from time to time.

To me, the alarm should be the very last thing to shut down. BMW should develop a low drain alarm and, if need be, put a few solar cells on the bike to keep the battery topped up. They are a technology-driven manufacturer so why should their security systems suffer from the shortcomings of an earlier era? It's almost as if they don't take security seriously.
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SteelD wrote: BMW should develop a low drain alarm and, if need be, put a few solar cells on the bike to keep the battery topped up. They are a technology-driven manufacturer so why should their security systems suffer from the shortcomings of an earlier era? It's almost as if they don't take security seriously.


I don't know about where you live of course, but my many years of BMW motorbike street parking in downtown Chicago showed me how thieves tend to leave BMW's alone, while many of friends other brand bikes were stolen.
BMW's don't get stolen much, at least in the states.
Without the BMW key with the chip in it the bike will NEVER start, all the pricy electronics are unique to the bike and not usable in any other bike, that leaves some wheels and body work for the thieves when there's plenty of mass marketed bikes to steal without the same security features as a BMW - hardly enough to justify stealing the BMW bike over something else. Everything electronic OEM is coded to the bike, only the owner after showing ID can get another key with the coded chip made from a dealer.
Now look at other popular brands and you have many parts that are not coded and are re-sellable to a much larger market.

I would say that BMW has done a great job of security, making a very small black market for thieves with all the features and modern electronics built into our bikes.
I would also say you're requirements are very few are far between, I know I wouldn't want the cost of my bike to be any higher to pay for the very specialized requests of solar cells and long lasting OEM alarm, not that I would buy a rebranded BMW alarm anyways. Those are things for aftermarket products for the few people who need them IMO.

If I had the requirements you do I would be installing a Shorai Battery and a Scorpio Alarm, if I really thought an alarm would help protect my BMW being left unattended for 2 weeks on a city street.
A bike cover or wheel lock seems to do more good for street parking than any alarm, out of sight out of mind. Guys that steal bikes would have it thrown in the back of a van in 20 seconds and a little noise isn't going to stop that.
I had a Scorpio on my R12 when I first got it, ended up not feeling like I needed it at all and got tired of polluting the air with noise when I would forget to turn it off when getting on the bike. Great product, I just didn't need it in the end since nobody who lives in a city pays attention to a car alarm going off anyways.

http://www.scorpioalarms.com/products/motorcycle



Scopio on a R12 info:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16729


Some statistics that might help you sleep better.


http://www.carolenash.com/pdf/theftsurv ... ey2008.pdf

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio ... dex-05.pdf
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SteelD wrote:Just picked up my new R1200R and am pleased with it except for the BMW alarm. After about an hour, the remote fob no longer works because the Canbus is in sleep mode. In other words, the remote fob turns into a useless appendage on the key ring. What point is a remote control if you can't remote control with it?
Very true and rather odd I agree.
However the alarm disarms simply by turning on the ignition. I have had the alarm trigger after a few days when I didn't turn the key all the way ON and tried to move the bike out of my garage so I think an experiment is in order to see how many days it takes to deactivate.

PS I hope our insurance companies don't read this thread :D :shock:
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Shakey wrote:PS I hope our insurance companies don't read this thread :D :shock:
I guess that ought to be a concern. What will their position be I wonder? I declared the alarm when seeking insurance but they will assume that the alarm will be on all the time the bike isn't being used. Will they refuse to pay up because the alarm had turned itself off when the bike was nicked?
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SteelD wrote:
Shakey wrote:PS I hope our insurance companies don't read this thread :D :shock:
I guess that ought to be a concern. What will their position be I wonder? I declared the alarm when seeking insurance but they will assume that the alarm will be on all the time the bike isn't being used. Will they refuse to pay up because the alarm had turned itself off when the bike was nicked?


You have a brand new R1200R and this is what you're concerned about?

That's pretty far fetched, you could just enjoy your new bike and quit worrying.
How is an alarm going to prevent it from getting nicked with the bike parked on the street and how/why on earth would the insurance try to prove that the alarm had disarmed?
Not going to happen.

I can already clearly see what kind of R1200R owner you are on this forum considering this was your first post after finally getting your new bike, not a photo, not an introduction or questions about break in, nothing positive - just complaining about BMW already because you didn't do your homework about the crappy BMW alarm system that didn't fulfill your expectations, then whining they didn't have the foresight to anticipate you're ridiculous needs for solar panels built into your bike and finally accusing BMW of not taking bike security seriously because of your own seemingly large lack of knowledge on the subject.
I have a feeling if BMW didn't have the alarm setup as it is to disarm when the battery is low and you came home from your holiday to find a dead battery and your bike wouldn't start up you'd be complaining about BMW engineers some more instead of actually finding solutions to your own specialized problems.

Have fun with your new bike.

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That's pretty good Harry.

It's just in my blood to call it like I see it.

It's also pretty easy to put me on your ignore list if anyone doesn't like my unfiltered opinions, it's right in the Control Panel in the Friends and Foes tab. :mrgreen:





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Lost Rider wrote: You have a brand new R1200R and this is what you're concerned about?

That's pretty far fetched, you could just enjoy your new bike and quit worrying.
How is an alarm going to prevent it from getting nicked with the bike parked on the street and how/why on earth would the insurance try to prove that the alarm had disarmed?
Not going to happen.
Wow! Somebody in sunny California who knows about the risks and insurance gotchas in high crime Britain. I feel so relieved by your affirmation that this is a remote possibility and that I shouldn't worry.
Lost Rider wrote: I can already clearly see what kind of R1200R owner you are on this forum considering this was your first post after finally getting your new bike, not a photo, not an introduction or questions about break in, nothing positive - just complaining about BMW already because you didn't do your homework about the crappy BMW alarm system that didn't fulfill your expectations, then whining they didn't have the foresight to anticipate you're ridiculous needs for solar panels built into your bike and finally accusing BMW of not taking bike security seriously because of your own seemingly large lack of knowledge on the subject.
Again, an amazing insight that is far beyond my expectations.

Not a photo? Maybe you don't know that it's been tipping down with rain in Britain for several days with no chance to take decent photos since collecting the bike. Yep, I don't happen to live in sunny California. As I get a chance (like a few people in this world, I work during the day), I was planning to take plenty of photos to show the various farkles I already have deployed covering hugger, extra lights, oil cooler guard and top case mounting. In fact, many working solutions to questions frequently raised in this forum. However, after reading your verbal diarrhoea, I really wonder if it's worth sharing such information on this forum if it's populated by trigger-happy people like you.

Why would I ask about break-in? In Britain we get user manuals supplied with new bikes and I happen to have read mine. If you want to know where to get a copy, I can advise you (but only if you ask nicely).

Nothing positive? I'm so sorry that I'm not writhing with endless orgasms through having taken delivery of a new BMW. Maybe I will become delirious once I've put a few miles on the bike but with just 38 miles recorded I don't feel experienced enough to convey a realistic opinion of long-term ownership. I do know enough about the alarm right now to know that it fails in its promise to be an effective security option. Yes, this is a real disappointment. The alarms on my last two bikes would hold up for at least two months and since these bikes were half the price of the BMW in the UK, I would have expected BMW to at least equal this as a minimum.
Lost Rider wrote: I have a feeling if BMW didn't have the alarm setup as it is to disarm when the battery is low and you came home from your holiday to find a dead battery and your bike wouldn't start up you'd be complaining about BMW engineers some more instead of actually finding solutions to your own specialized problems.
At least I might have a bike to come home to!

Oh, and for the record, you seem to pour scorn on the idea of having a solar panel to trickle charge the battery. I suppose you said similar things to other people over the years when such things as electrically-adjustable suspension was proposed, or maybe sensors in the wheels that transmitted tyre pressures to a digital display between the instruments. Do you not have any sense of vision of how technology might be employed to make things even better? Or is your vision limited to the end of your nose?
Lost Rider wrote: Have fun with your new bike.
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Don't worry, I will. Even more so in the knowledge that I don't have you as a close neighbour. :lol:
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Exactly the kind of response I expected from someone like you.
I know what I need to know about you enough to not waist my time any more than I already have. :smt109
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SteelD - now that that's over welcome to the board and good luck with the new bike.
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Boys, boys, boys..

Stop this bickering RIGHT NOW - and go to the garage and hug your motorcycles.

It's unseemly.

BTW - Joe - you gotta get out for a ride. I think you must be working too much.. :)

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@LostRider
Everybody knows that a bike alarm is about as much use as a back pocket in a sock and will never prevent theft of a bike but here in the dear old US of K, the insurance companies insist that you have one, even to the extent of refusing to insure you if you don't have one. There's even one insurance company that has a nice sideline in selling and installing alarms at a discount price if you order at the time you insure :roll:

It's legalised robbery and another thing we all love about Rip off Britain. Don't even get me started on Insurance premium taxation. [-X
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SteelD wrote:… you seem to pour scorn on the idea of having a solar panel to trickle charge the battery.
My wife and I recently had a grid-tied array installed to trickle charge the R12R — and cover almost all of the house's remaining electric load. It's a great time to go PV. :D
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I still ride everyday Don, haven't needed to work in over 5 months actually, lots of new miles on the R.... though I'm about to start a new tour working that will take me all over the UK and the EU. Maybe I can hook up with my new buddy for a pint? \:D/
Will be hard to hook up though since he's already on my ignore list.

Sorry to the rest of you, to think SteelD was going to complete our forum here with some photos of simple installs but now isn't going to enlighten the rest of us poor lost souls because of little ole' me and my honest opinions..... I must have special powers transmitted over the internet to control him in such a way.
The Force is weak with this one. :badgrin:
At least Harry and the few other folks I don't agree with very often have a new ally and friend. Hell, with his welcome a few posts up I think Harry does't even realize this guy has been on this forum for a while talking about finally getting his new 1200R, and when it finally comes all's he got is insults to someone who does't agree with him or his position, some whining and a little conjecture. ;)
Too bad his only way to respond is to try and insult me personally while I'm talking about BMW's, alarms, outrageous expectations and big city street parking from my years of experience.

Now, who really cares what I think anyways, I'm just another stupid guy on the all important internet who can/should be easily ignored.

Stepping away from the keyboard to go ride.... :mrgreen:
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Riding is always better than typing ;)

The best feature of the alarm I've found is the one that involves me never using it. One of the great features of owning a BMW bike is that they don't tend to get stolen (at-least where I live), so there's really very little need for an alarm :)
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Lost Rider wrote:Now, who really cares what I think anyways, I'm just another stupid guy on the all important internet who can/should be easily ignored. Stepping away from the keyboard to go ride.... :mrgreen:
Well Lost. You may be just another stupid guy on the internet, but you take great pictures and I enjoy reading about your adventures. Keep posting!
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